{moar non-disagreeable disagreement}

From the Saddleback Church website:

While all sin is destructive, Romans 6 warns us of the great dangers in sexual sin when it says, "Run away from sexual sin! No other sin so clearly affects the body as this one does. For sexual immorality is a sin against your own body." (1 Cor 6:18 NLT) This includes not only homosexuality, but all sexual immorality: adultery, sex without marriage, pornography. We must not act as if homosexuality is the only serious sexual sin, and we must not act as if homosexuality is not a serious sexual sin.

I’ve heard it asked, "Isn’t being homosexual something that a person is physically born with?" First of all, there are absolutely no facts to support this claim. From time to time studies have been reported in the news that seemed to indicate this, but every one of these studies has proven to be wrong. Secondly, even if some physical difference were discovered, it would be no excuse for sin. We know that some people can develop a stronger physical addiction to alcohol than others, but that’s obviously no excuse for living an alcoholic lifestyle.

Finally, a word about being judgmental. It’s not judgmental to say that what the Bible calls a sin is a sin, that’s just telling the truth. Not being willing to talk to someone caught up in sin, or not believing that they can be forgiven, or thinking that you are not just as much in need of Jesus as they are … that’s being judgmental.

Because membership in a church is an outgrowth of accepting the Lordship and leadership of Jesus in one’s life, someone unwilling to repent of their homosexual lifestyle would not be accepted at a member at Saddleback Church. That does not mean they cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.

In equal desire to follow Jesus, we also would not accept a couple into membership at Saddleback who were not willing to repent of the sexual sin of living together before marriage. That does not mean this couple cannot attend church – we hope they do! God’s Word has the power to change our lives.

Elsewhere on the same page:

Question: My dog died this week, will he go to heaven?

Answer: I am very sorry to hear that your dog died. I know how very close you can feel to a pet that has been with you, maybe all of your life in this case. The Bible does not tell us exactly where animals go when they die. It does indicate that, in heaven, there will be a new creation. It will not be just a place of clouds, that there will also be trees and animals up there in heaven. Some people have asked me if, when they get to heaven, they will be disappointed because the pet that they loved was not there. I can promise you that this will not happen. Heaven will not be a place where there is any disappointment in our lives. I often tell people, when you get to heaven, if you are longing for your dog to be there then God will obviously meet your need and your dog will be there. Heaven will be a place where there is no more longing, crying or any kind of pain.

Still more wisdom:

The Bible tells in Genesis 1 that God made the world in seven days, and that he made all of the animals on the fifth day and the sixth day. All of the animals were created at the same time, so they all walked the earth at the same time. I know that the pictures we all grew up with in the movies were that dinosaurs roamed a lifeless, volcanic planet. Remember these are just pictures drawn by someone today! The Bible’s picture is that dinosaurs and man lived together on the earth, an earth that was filled with vegetation and beauty.

What happened to the dinosaurs? The scientific record lets us know that they obviously became extinct through some kind of cataclysmic event on the earth. Many scientists theorize that this may have been an asteroid striking the earth, while many Christians wonder if this event could have been the worldwide flood in Noah’s day. No one can know for certain what this event was.

Although it cannot be stated with certainty, it appears that dinosaurs may have actually been mentioned in the Bible. The Bible uses names like "behemoth" and "tannin." Behemoth means kingly, gigantic beasts. Tannin is a term that includes dragon-like animals and the great sea creatures such as whales, giant squid, and marine reptiles like the plesiosaurs that may have become extinct. The Bible’s best description of a dinosaur-like animal is in Job chapter 40. We don’t know for certain if these are actually dinosaurs or are some other large creatures that became extinct.

This should not sound so strange. After all, God tells us that he created all the land animals on the sixth day of creation, the same day that he created mankind. Man and dinosaurs lived at the same time. There was never a time when dinosaurs ruled the earth. From the very beginning of creation, God gave man dominion over all that was made, even over the dinosaurs.

So…gays are doubleplus ungood, dogs go to heaven, and people in the Bible rode dinosaurs.  Got all that?

Way to pick ‘em, Barry.

8 Responses to “{moar non-disagreeable disagreement}”


  1. 1 almostinfamous

    so basically Rick Warren is from an alternate universe where your religion is not a personal choice(excepting whether you choose to go to hell or not obv.) but homosexuality is.

  2. 2 Kevin W. Baker

    so basically Rick Warren is from an alternate universe

    That would explain the goatee

  3. 3 Pinko Punko

    Yeah- the other RW is svelte and clean shaven and a Federation captain.

    He came here with Hitchens.

  4. 4 MadPriest

    The thing we should be most worried about is that his views make him eminently suited to be called “America’s Pastor.”

  5. 5 almostinfamous

    juan cole has a different view?

  6. 6 Kevin Baker

    With all due respect, that post by Cole is full of shit.

    Although I personally think that Warren is a giant attention whore who is concerned above all with his own fame and influence, his CHARACTER is most definitely NOT the issue. I don’t know him, so far all I know, he may be the nicest guy in the world. He’s actively working to take away my civil and human rights, but…he’s a nice guy? He talked to Melissa Etheridge? Who cares? This BS is far too common among our pundits…”I know a lot of people think he’s terrible, but we met at a party and it turns out he’s really nice!” Give me a break. Most people are pretty nice, that’s never been the issue. Policy and outcomes are what matter.

    Also, we really need to move beyond this simple-minded media discourse where any activity with the words “AIDS” and “Africa” attached to it is assumed to be saintly and beyond reproach or scrutiny. He’s over there working against science-based prevention that could save lives and money, and he’s palling around with some really sleazy and brutal people, including the shady characters who have been leading the charge to get the Episcopal Church kicked out of the Anglican Communion.

  7. 7 Kevin Baker

    And speaking of the Anglican Communion, MadPriest needs to stop by more often!

  8. 8 Editor

    Interesting blog post. What would you say was the most important factor?

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